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Bill Bradley

Non-Random Notes, With Updates And Forum Throughout Day


John McCain traded gibes last night with David Letterman.


** TEAM MCCAIN TRIES TO ROCK BARACK. Taking aim squarely at Barack Obama and his charge that John McCain wants to stay in Iraq for “100 years” — a meme they most definitely do not want to become a settled “fact” — top McCain advisors Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter said some very hard things today about the Democratic presidential frontrunner.

“The lofty rhetoric,” said Steve Schmidt, McCain’s message man, of Barack Obama’s speeches. “It’s nonsense talk.”

McCain’s senior adviser Mark Salter chimed in as well, “His whole brand is, ‘I’m not about that. I’m about something better.’ “

The two advisers were complaining about Obama’s repeated evocation of McCain’s statement last January that he could foresee a U.S. troop presence in Iraq for another 100 years. At the time, McCain was not speaking about continuing the war in Iraq, but rather about a continuing non-combat presence, along the lines of the U.S. military bases in post-war Korea and Germany.

But since then, Obama, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have repeatedly evoked the “100 years” comment to suggest that McCain wants to continue the war for another century. Obama has at various times talked of McCain’s intention to have a “100 years of war” and his intention to stay in Iraq for “another 100 years.”

“It’s absolutely dishonest,” Schmidt says, “absolutely dishonest. It’s old style Chicago politics. I guess that is how they play politics in Chicago.”

“Senator Obama has done the country a great service in this ‘100 year’ comment,” says Schmidt, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s re-election campaign manager, “because now the American people have the information they need to know that he is being dishonest.”

McCain has not said that he wants a 100-year war in Iraq. What’s he’s talked about is along the lines of the ongoing American presence in South Korea, which dates back to 1945. But as the Democratic National Committee points out, a Washington Post Fact Checker post shows McCain saying last November that he wasn’t for keeping troops in Iraq for decades.


** OBAMA NABS MAJOR ENDORSEMENTS. Hillary Clinton, to put things in perspective, is getting no new endorsements. In the last couple of days, Barack Obama has picked up four. On Monday, it was Minnesota Senator Amy Klebuchar. This morning, as previously reported, it was former House Intelligence and Foreign Affairs chairman Lee Hamilton of Indiana. This afternoon Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal (a Bill Clinton Justice Dept. appointee) and former Montana Senator John Melcher. The superdelegates keep coming, slowly but surely, for the Democratic frontrunner.

The Freudenthal endorsement is not a huge surprise since, as I noted at the time of the Wyoming caucuses, the governor’s daughter was waving an Obama sign at their caucus meeting in Cheyenne.


** BROWN AND A HOST OF STATES AND ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS SUE E.P.A. Former Governor-turned-Attorney General Jerry Brown, on behalf of California, joined with environmental groups and 18 other states to sue the US Environmental Protection Agency. The issue? Climate change.

One year ago today, the US Supreme Court determined that greenhouse gas emissions are covered by the Clean Air Act, contrary to the positition of the Bush Administration, and do constitute an environmental threat. The Court ordered the EPA to begin acting accordingly. What this requires in terms of governmental process is a formal “endangerment” finding by the EPA prior to the promulgation of regulations. EPA chief Stephen Johnson, in blocking California’s law cutting tailpipe emissions of greenhouse gases, said it’s the job of the EPA to do that. But everything has been stalled at the agency level, where the staff has prepared the necessary finding but Johnson has refused to issue it.

This morning Brown joined Sierra Club chief climate counsel David Bookbinder, International Center for Technology Assessment director Joe Mendelson, and Massachusetts environmental protection chief James Milkey on a conference call to announce the filing of a legal writ of mandamus to force the release of the EPA statement within 60 days.

“We recognize the political realities that pertain in present day Washington,” said Brown, who is acting with the approval of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“They’re trying to stall the process until they’re out of town,” said the two-time runner-up for the Democratic presidential nomination, referring to the Bush Administration. “It’s all about continual procrastination and Fabian tactics of delay.”

Asked by a reporter if he would “confirm” his intention to return to the California governorship in the election of 2010, Brown, the prohibitive Democratic favorite if he runs, said he had made no such decision, declaring his personal plans “totally irrelevant and trivial in the face of the threat that climate change represents.”

Brown, incidentally, was 20 minutes late to his conference call. That, Governor, is why you have your cell phone.


** NATIONAL POLL: BILL CLINTON’S HISTORICAL REPUTATION HARMED BY HIS 2008 CAMPAIGNING. A new national poll by the Rasmussen robopolling outfit finds that a big plurality of American voters believe that former President Bill Clinton’s campaigning on his wife’s behalf has hurt his historical legacy. 43% say they believe that he’s hurt his reputation, while only 17% say he’s enhanced it. 29% see no impact.

The assessment crosses party lines. Among Democrats, 22% have the positive view while 41% have the negative view. There is no gender gap.


** LATEST PODCAST. The road ahead after Bosnia fantasies and Rev. Wright, and heading into this week’s John McCain tour.


** L.A. TIMES POLL EXTENDED UNTIL NOVEMBER. After canceling the Los Angeles Times Poll in the middle of an election year, and getting some negative feedback for it, the Times management has extended the poll’s existence till November. Then it’s over for good.

In another sign of the Times, the paper had only one reporter, whose name did not ring a bell for me, at last weekend’s California Democratic Party convention. In years past, they would have at least three. Mostly collaborating for lengthy periods of time on relatively brief stories similar to those in the other daily newspapers.


** PENNSYLVANIA: A TALE OF TWO POLLS. One poll has Barack Obama slowly closing the gap on Hillary Clinton. The other has Obama leading Clinton.

First the non-surprise. The Quinnipiac poll has Clinton’s lead over Obama down to nine points, 50% to 41%. The poll is, however, old, having been taken from March 24-31.

Now the surprise. The Public Policy Polling tracking poll, conducted Monday night and last night, has Obama narrowly ahead of Clinton, 45% to 43%.


** BILL CLINTON’S SAN JOSE MELTDOWN. Well, former President Bill Clinton’s fruitless trip to the California Democratic Party convention over the weekend — superdelegate haul equals zero — gets worse. Nobody mentioned it to me on Monday when I called around to check on his meeting with superdelegates, but a clearly offended former Bill Richardson supporter on Tuesday took news of another ex-presidential meltdown to San Francisco Chronicle political gossip columnists Matier & Ross.

After some predictable chat, the group gathered around Clinton for photos. While posing, Rachel Binah from the very liberal Mendocino County decided to pointedly mention to Clinton how upset she was over motormouth Clinton advisor James Carville’s attack on Richardson as “Judas” for endorsing Barack Obama.

The ex-president went off, says Binah, “red-faced, finger-pointing,” as the ex-Richardson backer described him, going on about how Richardson supposedly “five times to my face, he said that he would never do that.”

Clinton then went on with his usual complaints about the media, the unfairness of the Obama campaign, the lack of democracy in caucuses, and so forth.

Showing that feelings between the Richardson camp and the Clintons are quite raw, Richardson spokesman Pahl Shipley reiterated that Richardson never promised Clinton he would not endorse Obama.

In a Washington Post op-ed yesterday, Richardson basically called Carville a liar for rattling off names of Democratic money people the New Mexico governor had supposedly assured on the matter.


** LEE HAMILTON BACKS OBAMA. Former Indiana Congressman Lee Hamilton, one of the Democratic Party’s top foreign policy figures, has come out for Barack Obama. Hamilton was the longtime chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee during his 35-year congressional career.

Hamilton, who was on Bill Clinton’s vice presidential short list, is more recently famous for co-chairing the Iraq Study Group with former Secretary of State James Baker, as well as serving as vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission. The ISG was very controversial on the right, but its recommendations are basically being followed — in super slow-mo fashion.

Hamilton is also a good endorsement for Obama in socially conservative Indiana, where Hillary Clinton might get a primary win in her ever so slowly winding down campaign.



John McCain kicked off his so-called biography tour Monday in
Meridian, Mississippi, near McCain Field named for his grandfather,
Admiral John McCain, Sr.


** MCCAIN SPEAKS AT ANNAPOLIS. John McCain speaks at his other alma mater, the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland, delivering an address at the Navy and Marine Corps Memorial Stadium at 6:15 AM Pacific. Here are some excerpts: Thank you. I am very happy to be here. Annapolis holds a special place in my life, and in the years that have passed since my father drove me to the gates of the Naval Academy to begin my plebe year, memories of my experiences here are often bathed in the welcome haze of nostalgia for the time when I was brave and true and better looking than I am at present. But witnesses to my behavior here, a few of whom are present today, as well as a nagging conscience, have a tendency to interrupt my reverie for a misspent youth, and urge a more honest appraisal of my record and character here. In truth, my four years at the Naval Academy were not notable for exemplary virtue or academic achievement but, rather, for the impressive catalogue of demerits I managed to accumulate. By my reckoning, at the end of my second class year, I had marched enough extra duty to take me to Baltimore and back seventeen times — which, if not a record, certainly ranks somewhere very near the top. …

It’s funny, now, how less self-assured I feel later in life than I did when I lived in the perpetual springtime of youth. Some of my critics allege that age hasn’t entirely cost me my earlier conceits. All I can say to them is they should have known me then. But as the great poet, Yeats, wrote, “All that’s beautiful drifts away, like the waters.” I’ve lost some of the attributes that were the object of a young man’s vanity. But there have been compensations, which I have come to hold dear.

If I had ignored some of the less important conventions of the Academy, I was careful not to defame its more compelling traditions: the veneration of courage and resilience; the honor code that simply assumed your fidelity to its principles; the homage paid to Americans who had sacrificed greatly for our country; the expectation that you, too, would prove worthy of your country’s trust. …

The Naval Academy was not interested in degrading my dignity. On the contrary, it had a more expansive conception of human dignity than I possessed when I arrived at its gates. The most important lesson I learned here was that to sustain my self-respect for a lifetime it would be necessary for me to have the honor of serving something greater than my self-interest.

When I left the Academy, I was not even aware I had learned that lesson. In a later crisis, I would suffer a genuine attack on my dignity, an attack, unlike the affronts I had exaggerated as a boy, that left me desperate and uncertain. It was then I would recall, awakened by the example of men who shared my circumstances, the lesson that the Academy in its venerable and enduring way had labored to impress upon me. It changed my life forever. I had found my cause: citizenship in the greatest nation on earth. …

But even as we stand today, at the threshold of an age in which the genius of America will, I am confident, again be proven – the genius that historian Frederick Turner called “that restless, nervous energy; that dominant individualism … that buoyancy and exuberance which comes with freedom” – many Americans are indifferent to or cynical about the virtues that our country claims. In part, it is attributable to the dislocations economic change causes; to the experience of Americans who have, through no fault of their own, been left behind as others profit as they never have before. In part, it is in reaction to government’s mistakes and incompetence, and to the selfishness of some public figures who seek to shine the luster of their public reputations at the expense of the public good. But for others, cynicism about our country, government, social and religious institutions seems not a reaction to occasions when they have been let down by these institutions, but because the ease which wealth and opportunity have given their lives led them to the mistaken conclusion that America, and the liberties its system of government is intended to protect, just aren’t important to the quality of their lives.

I’m a conservative, and I believe it is a very healthy thing for Americans to be skeptical about the purposes and practices of public officials. We shouldn’t expect too much from government – nor should it expect too much from us. Self-reliance – not foisting our responsibilities off on others – is the ethic that made America great.

But when healthy skepticism sours into corrosive cynicism our expectations of our government become reduced to the delivery of services. And to some people the expectations of liberty are reduced to the right to choose among competing brands of designer coffee.

What is lost is, in a word, citizenship. For too many Americans, the idea of good citizenship does not extend beyond walking into a voting booth every two or four years and pulling a lever. And too few Americans demand of themselves even that first obligation of self-government. …

Citizenship is defined by countless acts of love, kindness and courage that have no witness or heraldry and are especially commendable because they are unrecorded.

Although it exists apart from government, citizenship is the habits and institutions that preserve democracy. It is the ways, small and large, we come together to govern ourselves. Citizenship is the responsible exercise of freedom, and is indispensable to the proper functioning of a democracy. …

Love of country, my friends, is another way of saying love of your fellow countrymen—a truth I learned a long time ago in a country very different from ours.

That is the good cause that summons every American to service. If you find faults with our country, make it a better one. If you are disappointed with the mistakes of government, join its ranks and work to correct them. I hope more Americans would consider enlisting in our Armed Forces. I hope more would consider running for public office or working in federal, state and local governments. But there are many public causes where your service can make our country a stronger, better one than we inherited. Wherever there is a hungry child, a great cause exists. Where there is an illiterate adult, a great cause exists. Wherever there are people who are denied the basic rights of Man, a great cause exists. Wherever there is suffering, a great cause exists.

The good citizen and wise person pursues happiness that is greater than comfort, more sublime than pleasure. The cynical and indifferent know not what they miss. For their mistake is an impediment not only to our progress as a civilization but to their happiness as individuals.

As blessed as we are, no nation complacent in its greatness can long sustain it. We, too, must prove, as those who came before us proved, that a people free to act in their own interests, will perceive those interests in an enlightened way, will live as one nation, in a kinship of ideals, and make of our power and wealth a civilization for the ages, a civilization in which all people share in the promise and responsibilities of freedom.


WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.

Barack Obama campaigns in Wallingford and West Chester, Pennsylvania.

Hillary Clinton campaigns in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Menlo Park, California.

Bill Clinton campaigns in Columbus, Seymour, Bedford, and Bloomington, Indiana.

John McCain campaigns in Annapolis, Maryland and Pensacola, Florida.


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Comments (100)

Jonas Blane :

McCain's pretty good. I can live with him.

Apr 2, 2008 05:57 AM

Jonas Blane :

I like McCain's speech. He's not a hack.

Apr 2, 2008 06:10 AM

Capitol Boy :

McCain's a pretty funny guy, I give him that.

Apr 2, 2008 06:49 AM

Ann :

Funny we like.

Apr 2, 2008 06:57 AM

Hap Hazard :

I think it is nearly time to come to terms with the fact that McCain will be the next president of the US.

Apr 2, 2008 07:04 AM

Bill Bradley :

Bill Bradley :

Usually.

>Ann :

Funny we like.

Apr 2, 2008 06:57 AM

Apr 2, 2008 07:07 AM

Bill Bradley :

Very nice of you.

>Capitol Boy :

McCain's a pretty funny guy, I give him that.

Apr 2, 2008 06:49 AM

Apr 2, 2008 07:10 AM

Bill Bradley :

I sense a bumper sticker.

>Jonas Blane :

I like McCain's speech. He's not a hack.

Apr 2, 2008 06:10 AM

Apr 2, 2008 07:11 AM

Bill Bradley :

Not an uncommon view.

>Jonas Blane :

McCain's pretty good. I can live with him.

Apr 2, 2008 05:57 AM

Apr 2, 2008 07:12 AM

Capitol Boy :

Screw Bill Clinton. He's just a loudmouthed asshole now.

Apr 2, 2008 07:35 AM

Hap Hazard :

Ann :

Hap Hazard :

Rachel Binah is tough, and runs a great Inn

Apr 2, 2008 08:00 AM

Jack Aubrey :

Barack Obama is a dignified person. John McCain is a dignified person. The Clintons are not dignified. They are crass.

Apr 2, 2008 08:07 AM

Jonas Blane :

McCain's been known to go off on people. But there is a less self-absorbed, more truthful quality to it.

Apr 2, 2008 08:15 AM

Bill Bradley :

Well, she certainly nailed BC.

>Hap Hazard :

Rachel Binah is tough, and runs a great Inn

Apr 2, 2008 08:00 AM

Apr 2, 2008 08:16 AM

Bill Bradley :

Let's keep the language cool.

>Capitol Boy :

Screw Bill Clinton. He's just a loudmouthed asshole now.

Apr 2, 2008 07:35 AM

Apr 2, 2008 08:17 AM

Bill Bradley :

True.

>Jonas Blane :

McCain's been known to go off on people. But there is a less self-absorbed, more truthful quality to it.

Apr 2, 2008 08:15 AM

Apr 2, 2008 08:18 AM

Jonas Blane :

I love the Letterman video.

Apr 2, 2008 08:39 AM

Ann :

La Times lives. lol

Apr 2, 2008 10:18 AM

Brasky :

"Now the surprise. The Public Policy Polling tracking poll, conducted Monday night and last night, has Obama narrowly ahead of Clinton, 45% to 43%."

What's that sound? Is someone dragging a firewall to another state?

Apr 2, 2008 10:19 AM

Len :

I'm glad this site is working again.

Apr 2, 2008 10:49 AM

Bill Bradley :

It was generally well throughout, with the exception of people losing their bookmarks and chronic problems with the Forum.

Apr 2, 2008 10:55 AM

Bill Bradley :

I don't expect Obama to win Pennslvania. But Hillary will again fail to win the sort of huge victory she promised on March 4th.

>Brasky :

"Now the surprise. The Public Policy Polling tracking poll, conducted Monday night and last night, has Obama narrowly ahead of Clinton, 45% to 43%."

What's that sound? Is someone dragging a firewall to another state?

Apr 2, 2008 10:19 AM

Apr 2, 2008 10:56 AM

Bill Bradley :

Indeed.

>Ann :

La Times lives. lol

Apr 2, 2008 10:18 AM

Apr 2, 2008 10:57 AM

Bill Bradley :

Besides the bit with the dueling monologues, Letterman did an extended interview with McCain.

>Jonas Blane :

I love the Letterman video.

Apr 2, 2008 08:39 AM

Apr 2, 2008 11:07 AM

Brasky :

I liked the Richardson op ed - thanks. He took Carvile to task.

Apr 2, 2008 11:22 AM

Bill Bradley :

In the future, with Obama the likely Democratic leader, some folks who have been gurus will be cranks.

Apr 2, 2008 12:05 PM

Brasky :

"In the future, with Obama the likely Democratic leader, some folks who have been gurus will be cranks."

The difference between gurus and cranks is the size of the check you get for shooting your mouth off...

Apr 2, 2008 12:09 PM

Len :

Sounds good to me.

Apr 2, 2008 12:09 PM

Bill Bradley :

Incidentally, NWN passed 54,000 comments sometime in the past week.

Apr 2, 2008 12:15 PM

Brasky :

"BILL CLINTON’S HISTORICAL REPUTATION HARMED BY HIS 2008 CAMPAIGNING"

...smaller and fewer checks there too...

Apr 2, 2008 12:17 PM

Dana :

Hap, I concede that McCain may be the next president of the US. The speech is very inspiring and timely. A campaign where both sides have this sort of elevated tone and thoughtfulness would be most welcome. The country is troubled and whoever is elected has some real challenges, including bringing unity after the divisive Clinton/Bush years.

Bill--these ex-gurus/cranks, will they be outside looking in?

Apr 2, 2008 12:21 PM

Bill Bradley :

Maybe.

He had a fantastic thing going. I was so impressed by much of it that I had to consciously resist writing about the Clinton Foundation because his wife was running and it would make NWN look like a pro-Clinton outlet.

Apr 2, 2008 12:22 PM

Bill Bradley :

I was responding to the Brasky post re Bill Clinton.

Apr 2, 2008 12:27 PM

Bill Bradley :

Well, we have to get to that campaign.

Regarding ultimate insiders turned outsiders ... I'm not sensing the particular need for James Carville, Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and the like in an Obama-led Democratic Party.

>Dana :
Hap, I concede that McCain may be the next president of the US. The speech is very inspiring and timely. A campaign where both sides have this sort of elevated tone and thoughtfulness would be most welcome. The country is troubled and whoever is elected has some real challenges, including bringing unity after the divisive Clinton/Bush years.
Bill--these ex-gurus/cranks, will they be outside looking in?
Apr 2, 2008 12:21 PM

Apr 2, 2008 12:29 PM

Dana :

Kick me if I'm wrong, but isn't the choice of McCain/Obama a decisive break symbolically (among other reasons) from the Clinton/Bush era? The public is looking ahead and feels the need for something other than past approaches. However unfair a dig, Obama's one-liner that McCain is seeking Bush's third term plays on this because the identification w/Bush isn't good for Mr. McCain (bet that recent photo op in the rose garden is the last we have those two together until after November...)

Apr 2, 2008 12:37 PM

Brasky :

"I'm not sensing the particular need for James Carville, Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and the like in an Obama-led Democratic Party."

Plus, those guys ain't making any friends with Pelosi, et al.

Apr 2, 2008 12:38 PM

Bill Bradley :

They certainly are not.

I believe one of the reasons some folks are hanging on so vociferously is they know that the clock is ticking down.

Apr 2, 2008 01:02 PM

Bill Bradley :

That's right. Although there are issue similarities, McCain is a fundamentally different figure than Bush, and the same is true with regard to Obama and Clinton(s).

They approach the process differently and conduct themselves differently.

>Dana :
Kick me if I'm wrong, but isn't the choice of McCain/Obama a decisive break symbolically (among other reasons) from the Clinton/Bush era? The public is looking ahead and feels the need for something other than past approaches. However unfair a dig, Obama's one-liner that McCain is seeking Bush's third term plays on this because the identification w/Bush isn't good for Mr. McCain (bet that recent photo op in the rose garden is the last we have those two together until after November...)
Apr 2, 2008 12:37 PM

Apr 2, 2008 01:04 PM

Chris M :

It's striking, when we have a Republican administration closing up shop by bequeathing to the nation a sinking economy and a very messy (and largely unpopular) military situation, that sharp minds who visit this site are ready to concede that we will have another Republican presidency.

Apr 2, 2008 01:05 PM

Brasky :

Reason #392 that the California Right Wing is ALL bark an NO bite : just read that Abel Maldonado is running unopposed in the primary. I thought he was traitor #1 among the Fleishman crowd.

Apr 2, 2008 01:20 PM

Ann :

The no-comment Flush Report strikes again.

Apr 2, 2008 01:23 PM

marcus :

McCain is demonstrably more qualified than the inexperienced Obama and fradulent Clinton.

Apr 2, 2008 01:29 PM

Ann :

lol


BB: Brown, incidentally, was 20 minutes late to his conference call. That, Governor, is why you have your cell phone.

Apr 2, 2008 01:33 PM

Dana :

Chris M, please read carefully, I said we may have another Republican presidency. Despite the grumbling, the process worked and the Reps have a nominee much better poised to hold the White House than Romney or Guliani or Thompson. But McCain has good and bad points plus there are some major variables (the war, the economy, any last minute Bush blow-up/scandals) that will play a role in how well he runs.

The real campaign hasn't even started, and the final outcome is by no means assured.

Apr 2, 2008 01:55 PM

Bill Bradley :

The next president will be John McCain or Barack Obama.

I'm not sure which.

Apr 2, 2008 02:19 PM

Bill Bradley :

Indeed.

>Ann :

lol


BB: Brown, incidentally, was 20 minutes late to his conference call. That, Governor, is why you have your cell phone.

Apr 2, 2008 01:33 PM

Apr 2, 2008 02:19 PM

James- The Historian :

Chris M-

One more point: it seems that regulars on this site tend to think for themselves. Not all share your views. That is part of what makes NWN so valuable.

Apr 2, 2008 02:19 PM

Bill Bradley :

Qualifications can be overrated.

>marcus :

McCain is demonstrably more qualified than the inexperienced Obama and fradulent Clinton.

Apr 2, 2008 01:29 PM

Apr 2, 2008 02:20 PM

Bill Bradley :

Thanks.

>James- The Historian :

Chris M-

One more point: it seems that regulars on this site tend to think for themselves. Not all share your views. That is part of what makes NWN so valuable.

Apr 2, 2008 02:19 PM

Apr 2, 2008 02:21 PM

Bill Bradley :

He is indeed.

>Brasky :

Reason #392 that the California Right Wing is ALL bark an NO bite : just read that Abel Maldonado is running unopposed in the primary. I thought he was traitor #1 among the Fleishman crowd.

Apr 2, 2008 01:20 PM

Apr 2, 2008 02:23 PM

Bill Bradley :

McCain may win, or not. But had the vicars of the far right gotten their way, they would have all but guaranteed an Obama presidency.

>Chris M :

It's striking, when we have a Republican administration closing up shop by bequeathing to the nation a sinking economy and a very messy (and largely unpopular) military situation, that sharp minds who visit this site are ready to concede that we will have another Republican presidency.

Apr 2, 2008 01:05 PM

Apr 2, 2008 02:24 PM

Brasky :

"He is indeed."

For less than the cost of those radio ads they ran against Maldo, they could have bought a pony for Ann. It would have been a better investment.

Apr 2, 2008 02:28 PM

Wilbur :

>>Bill Bradley : The next president will be John McCain or Barack Obama. I'm not sure which.

Hmmm... customary hedging conspicuously absent.... OK, then, let's call it and head for the bar!

Apr 2, 2008 02:34 PM

Jack Aubrey :

I think it's McCain.

Apr 2, 2008 03:01 PM

Dana :

From this link you can click to read the Pro 98 arguments in the voter's pamphlet if you need a good laugh. Jon Coupal and his associates sound a tad desperate in their collection of mis-leading statements, etc. I think this one will sink. In the end, Mr. Coupal, have you no shame? Sir, have you no shame?

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Apr 2, 2008 03:03 PM

Bill Bradley :

Did I hear that Coupal is against closing any tax loopholes? That wouldn't be a politically viable position.

Apr 2, 2008 03:43 PM

Bill Bradley :

Perhaps.

>Jack Aubrey :
I think it's McCain.
Apr 2, 2008 03:01 PM

Apr 2, 2008 03:45 PM

Bill Bradley :

My hedging is sometimes impartiality.

Besides, if I cut to the chase all the time, what do I have to write about? :)

>Wilbur :
>>Bill Bradley : The next president will be John McCain or Barack Obama. I'm not sure which.
Hmmm... customary hedging conspicuously absent.... OK, then, let's call it and head for the bar!
Apr 2, 2008 02:34 PM

Apr 2, 2008 03:48 PM

Bill Bradley :

I'd forgotten about those radio ads.

>Brasky :
"He is indeed."
For less than the cost of those radio ads they ran against Maldo, they could have bought a pony for Ann. It would have been a better investment.
Apr 2, 2008 02:28 PM

Apr 2, 2008 03:49 PM

marcus :

Obama better get his pretty lines straight or the McCain crowd will trip him up bad.

Apr 2, 2008 04:37 PM

Hap Hazard :

I bet Coupal did say no to closing tax loopholes, because the democrats' definition of that differs from his. The biggest tax "giveaway" that sometime we will have to deal with seriously is the k-12 public education system in the state, which is probably the worst in the western world.

Apr 2, 2008 04:42 PM

Hap Hazard :

I am with you on that, Dana...

A campaign where both sides have this sort of elevated tone and thoughtfulness would be most welcome.

Apr 2, 2008 05:02 PM

Capitol Boy :

Bill, shouldn't you remind Steve Schmidt that his boss's wife is for Obama?

Apr 2, 2008 05:27 PM

Ann :

Which boss? lol

Apr 2, 2008 05:37 PM

Bill Bradley :

Well, that would be the thing.

Apr 2, 2008 06:06 PM

Bill Bradley :

I deal with so many crosscutting relationships and situations I wouldn't even begin to venture into that sort of thing.

>Capitol Boy :
Bill, shouldn't you remind Steve Schmidt that his boss's wife is for Obama?
Apr 2, 2008 05:27 PM

Apr 2, 2008 06:07 PM

Bill Bradley :

I think there will be a thoughtful general election.

With a lot of side bubbling negativity.

>Hap Hazard :
I am with you on that, Dana...
A campaign where both sides have this sort of elevated tone and thoughtfulness would be most welcome.
Apr 2, 2008 05:02 PM

Apr 2, 2008 06:09 PM

Bill Bradley :

I believe it was something else, in the area of the usual definition of tax loopholes.

>Hap Hazard :
I bet Coupal did say no to closing tax loopholes, because the democrats' definition of that differs from his. The biggest tax "giveaway" that sometime we will have to deal with seriously is the k-12 public education system in the state, which is probably the worst in the western world.
Apr 2, 2008 04:42 PM

Apr 2, 2008 06:11 PM

Ann :

In the usual definition of greed. lol

Apr 2, 2008 06:45 PM

Hap Hazard :

Well, it makes no sense not to fix the sales-use tax law to require that vessel or airplane purchases out of state be subject to use tax, but it wouldn't represent much in the way of revenues gained.

Apr 2, 2008 07:00 PM

Bill Bradley :

Actually, you know, Schwarz is thinking of actual LOOPHOLES.

Apr 2, 2008 07:04 PM

Bill Bradley :

Not that I want to cut to the chase or anything.

Since the state has been, you know, dicking around for four fracking yhears on this stuff.

Apr 2, 2008 07:05 PM

Bill Bradley :

... And, as it turns out according to SciFi -- hello Gospodin Bierko with his resume in progress -- "frack" is actually spelled "frak."

Apr 2, 2008 07:07 PM

Capitol Boy :

Half the California state govt. budget is tax "expenditures."

Anybody who doesn't get it doesn't want to get it.

Apr 2, 2008 07:14 PM

Dr. Sam Loomis :

I'm looking forward to seeing Bill Clinton endorse Obama when Obama wins the nomination. The corny "ah-shucks who me?" thing Bill does is so funny.

Apr 2, 2008 07:35 PM

carole w :

I loved the McCain video:)

Apr 2, 2008 07:49 PM

Brasky :

Well, it's not a 100 years of war, but has McCain said WHEN we will leave Iraq?

I ain't all that happy about getting another Korea out the bargain. The thousands of troops we have on Korean soil is only one part of our military dedication to that region.
We have to factor Korea into any regional scenario (China/Taiwan), plus global ones too. I think trying to keep 20,000 US troops in Iraq is going to cause problems for us over the next 100 years.

Oh, and although we don’t shoot one another anymore, we are technically still at war with North Korea.

Apr 2, 2008 08:03 PM

Dr. Sam Loomis :

South Korea is an economic powerhouse. They are now building cars to compete with those built in the US. Several SK industries are outshining their US counterparts. Our army is defending their country while their army of Starcraft online players is second to none.

Mr. Bush is a very weak man. Mr. Bush sees his job as occupying the position for 8 years, not as running anything. The bold position would be for Mr. Bush to say enough is enough - SK is an ally - but we're out of SK.

North Korea is a basket case on every topic. They are especially lame on logistical support of their million man army - their only threat. Why Are We There?

Apr 2, 2008 09:07 PM

Brasky :

Dr Sam:

I think a major reason is that if the US were to leave, the South would have to build-up their military WHILE we were still there.

That would be a VERY large military build-up in a (technical) war zone. Very problematic.

Sigh.

Didn't know about the Starcraft thing...

Apr 2, 2008 10:15 PM

Brasky :

Oh, and we were in Germany for 50 years to keep the USSR from invading Western Europe. We weren't getting hit with badly aimed mortar shells at Ramstein, but we ran plenty of drills for WW III.

I do think that the Dems inaccurate wielding of the “100 year” remark is somewhat unfair (implying 100 years of roadside bombs), but I also want McCain to be honest about what kind of military commitment we can expect under his leadership.

Sometimes I get a very LBJ vibe from him, which is ironic on a lot of levels…

Apr 2, 2008 10:30 PM

Bill Bradley :

The Sovs were quite serious.

Apr 2, 2008 11:27 PM

Bill Bradley :

True.

>Brasky :
Dr Sam:
I think a major reason is that if the US were to leave, the South would have to build-up their military WHILE we were still there.
That would be a VERY large military build-up in a (technical) war zone. Very problematic.

Apr 2, 2008 11:29 PM

Bill Bradley :

Hah! If only that were true ...

>Dr. Sam Loomis :
Mr. Bush is a very weak man. Mr. Bush sees his job as occupying the position for 8 years, not as running anything.

Apr 2, 2008 11:30 PM

Bill Bradley :

Considering that the ME is a far more volatile region than the Korean Peninsula, hardly a surprise.

>Brasky :
Well, it's not a 100 years of war, but has McCain said WHEN we will leave Iraq?
I ain't all that happy about getting another Korea out the bargain. The thousands of troops we have on Korean soil is only one part of our military dedication to that region.

Apr 2, 2008 11:32 PM

Bill Bradley :

Which one?

>carole w :
I loved the McCain video:)
Apr 2, 2008 07:49 PM

Apr 2, 2008 11:34 PM

Bill Bradley :

It's a natural.

>Dr. Sam Loomis :
I'm looking forward to seeing Bill Clinton endorse Obama when Obama wins the nomination. The corny "ah-shucks who me?" thing Bill does is so funny.
Apr 2, 2008 07:35 PM

Apr 2, 2008 11:36 PM

Hap Hazard :

Half the California state govt. budget is tax "expenditures." Anybody who doesn't get it doesn't want to get it.

The percentage seems high. The income is about 45% personal income taxes, which are mostly confomring to federal law, so no loophole closing opportunities are readily available there.

The sales and use tax gives the state about 35% of its revenues. The boat/airplane out of state purchase loophole is one in this area, but that is about it.

Then the corporation taxes bring in about 10% of the money, and these rules mostly follow the federal laws, and if anything, there are taxes corporations must pay here that aren't applicable to the federal law.

Then there are motor vehicle fees, which give about 5% of the total revenues incoming. I don't know of any loopholes there that can be closed.

So where are the tax expenditures that make up the half of the budget? I want to get it, but I apparently don't get it...

I do know that they have been fraking around on this for years, but it is largely because there isn't any more creative things that can be done, because about 3/4ths of the spending goes to Education (a waste), Health and Welfare, transportation and Corrections, and virtually none of it can be cut because of state or federal laws (or court decisions) saying otherwise.


Apr 3, 2008 12:01 AM

Jonas Blane :

What video today?

Apr 3, 2008 08:33 AM

carole w :

Bill,
The video of McCain on the Letterman show. McCain is always funny on the late night shows.

Hap,
I just tried to purchase a boat and the sales tax and related fees, are what stopped the purchase. I do not want to see the boat industry hurt like the horse racing industry was during the Regan years. Purchasing a boat in Mexico versus California is not an option for me.

Apr 3, 2008 10:02 AM

Brasky :

Hap - you forgot the third rail of CA politics. Property taxes. There has been debate in Sacramento over the years of exempting commercial property from some of the Prop 13 protections.

BTW, I think your views about spending on education, health and transportation are...a little out of the mainstream.

Apr 3, 2008 10:05 AM

Bill Bradley :

Ah, the third rail.

Apr 3, 2008 10:32 AM

carole w :

What is happening with the state fire assessment? Did San Diego ever figure out how to create their own county fire department? What happened to the politician that was trying to destroy the police/fire pensions? I can't remember his name.

Apr 3, 2008 10:49 AM

Bill Bradley :

Bring it on today's thread.

It's way too distracting otherwise, especially on such a tangential issue.

Apr 3, 2008 10:55 AM

marcus waldron :

The San Diego fire assessment?

Apr 4, 2008 12:37 AM

Bill Bradley :

It's a California budget issue.

Apr 6, 2008 12:01 PM

Capitol Boy :

The Reeps hate it.

Apr 6, 2008 02:01 PM

Capitol Boy :

Let's all post on past threads to confuse Bill!

Apr 6, 2008 02:02 PM

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